Elvio Cogno, Valter Fissore

Archived on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 19:22.

12/02/2010 - 17:57 sstar: Hello! Welcome to our chat :)

12/02/2010 - 18:05 sstar: Welcome Valter!

12/02/2010 - 18:05 sstar: Welcome GP 1

12/02/2010 - 18:05 elviocogno: Thanks. hello

12/02/2010 - 18:06 elviocogno: I am here to answer your questions

12/02/2010 - 18:06 sstar: Could you say how did your story with begin?

12/02/2010 - 18:07 elviocogno: I finished school and then I met my wife Nadia Cogno, daughter of a wine producer from La Morra

12/02/2010 - 18:07 elviocogno: My father in law founded the Marcarini cellar in the 60s

12/02/2010 - 18:08 sstar: And before? Had you any experience with wine or wine making?

12/02/2010 - 18:08 sstar: Hello Lucasino!

12/02/2010 - 18:08 elviocogno: Before I went to school I worked for two years in this cellar

12/02/2010 - 18:08 elviocogno: where the passion for wine making started

12/02/2010 - 18:08 sstar: Your wife shares this passion?

12/02/2010 - 18:09 elviocogno: Before school, yes I had experience in wine making with my family in Roero.

12/02/2010 - 18:09 elviocogno: I made wine with my grandfather

12/02/2010 - 18:10 elviocogno: My wife obviously also is passionate about wine. She comes from a fourth generation wine producing family

12/02/2010 - 18:11 sstar: How are the roles in Elvio Cogno then divided between your family?

12/02/2010 - 18:11 elviocogno: At the moment there is only Nadia and myself working

12/02/2010 - 18:12 sstar: Must be a lot of work for two!

12/02/2010 - 18:13 sstar: How climate changes influence the wines in Barolo?

12/02/2010 - 18:15 elviocogno: I am the wine maker, Nadia does the complicated administration and participate in all the wine tasting to check the result of production. We have an enologist/consultant and an agronomist and a team of 6 people who work with us in the vinyard and 2 in the cellar

12/02/2010 - 18:15 sstar: Just to recall your web page for those who would like to read more: http://www.elviocogno.it

12/02/2010 - 18:16 gp: What are news about rumours that Rose clone will be banned from Barolo DOCG regulations?

12/02/2010 - 18:17 sstar: Rose clone is used just in Vigna Elena?

12/02/2010 - 18:18 elviocogno: The climate and the soil is essential to the production of Barolo, a climate with a big difference in temperature between night and day and also difference in temperature between the season, hot summer and cold winter, is important to give our wines a great personality. The composition of the soil, limestone and clay, is also a very important factor

12/02/2010 - 18:20 gp: ziew

12/02/2010 - 18:22 elviocogno: I am not sure about the regulation of rose clone, I planted a vinyard of Nebbiolo Rose clone/111 in 1991. This number identifies the Rose clone. This vinyard produces Barolo following all necessary regulations andI don't believe that in the future I will have problems to continue producing. Maybe in new planations???

12/02/2010 - 18:22 sstar: Lampia, rose, michet.. what others subclones of Nebbiolo are there? I asked whether with global warming your wines change? Can you see the difference? There was also question about your daughter :)

12/02/2010 - 18:23 sstar: What are the differences between these clones?

12/02/2010 - 18:23 elviocogno: My daughter studies graphic design and she designed the Vigna Elena and Bricco Pernice labels

12/02/2010 - 18:24 sstar: Web page as well?

12/02/2010 - 18:24 sstar: http://www.elviocogno.it/pagine/eng/vini_piemonte_cantina_cogno/barolo_docg_vigna_elena.lasso

12/02/2010 - 18:25 sstar: To recall labels: http://www.elviocogno.it/pagine/eng/vini_piemonte_cantina_cogno/barolo_docg_bricco_pernice.lasso

12/02/2010 - 18:25 elviocogno: We have all three clones in our vinyard. The clones have developed into hybrids and so they are identified with numbers, trying to obtain the best characteristics of all of them

12/02/2010 - 18:26 elviocogno: Slowly please, one questionat a time!

12/02/2010 - 18:28 elviocogno: All our clones are still the original clone because our vinyards are all old, between 40 and 70 years old

12/02/2010 - 18:28 elviocogno: Global Warming....

12/02/2010 - 18:28 sstar: About Nebbiolo clones in the meantime: http://www.yalumbanursery.com/pdf/news/Nebbiolo.pdf

12/02/2010 - 18:30 elviocogno: our last vintages has seen a difference due to global warming. Fortunately we are in an area of higher altitude so the temperatures aren't too hot. We have noticed an increase in the alcohol level due to the increase in temperature, but also due to our quality in selection in green harvest contributed to this higher alcohol.

12/02/2010 - 18:31 sstar: So will you stick to green harves accepting higher alcohol levels?

12/02/2010 - 18:32 elviocogno: We use indigeneous yeasts

12/02/2010 - 18:32 sstar: Which of the varieties is doing best, standing heat? Or is it rather location of vineyards that matters?

12/02/2010 - 18:34 elviocogno: Even though the last 2 vintages seemed to have returned to normal we will continue to green harvest irrespectively, in 2010 we green harvested 3 times with a general reduced production of 30%

12/02/2010 - 18:35 sstar: There are also: Bolla, Picotendro and Chiavanesca clones. About Michet they write that it is highly infected with GFLV. What's that? Partly you make Ravera with this clone, in which percentage?

12/02/2010 - 18:35 elviocogno: Barbera is a wine that likes the heat

12/02/2010 - 18:36 elviocogno: Also the location of the vinyard is important

12/02/2010 - 18:37 sstar: For Barolo you use mainly large Slavonian oak, for Lange and Barbera you use the barrique?

12/02/2010 - 18:37 elviocogno: Michet is lampia clone with a virus. I don't believe it is highly infected with GFLV.

12/02/2010 - 18:38 elviocogno: GFLV is a recent infection that has infected all varieties not just Nebbiolo

12/02/2010 - 18:38 elviocogno: Ravera has 40% Michet

12/02/2010 - 18:38 sstar: Just quoted the above aricle: Michet (moderate vigour and yield; particularly good oenological attributes; highly infected with GFLV) – Registered clones: R3 Regarded by local growers as the highest quality biotype but GFLV occurrence is 100% (Mannini 1995).

12/02/2010 - 18:38 sstar: http://www.yalumbanursery.com/pdf/news/Nebbiolo.pdf

12/02/2010 - 18:39 elviocogno: Bolla, Picotendro and Chiavanesca clones has practically disappeared

12/02/2010 - 18:40 sstar: What do you think about using barrique for Barolo?

12/02/2010 - 18:41 elviocogno: Reading what Manini has written, GFVL must be a virus that has hit Michet but I don't know the details of this

12/02/2010 - 18:42 elviocogno: It is my opinion that the best Barolos are made in big, oak casks (Botti)

12/02/2010 - 18:42 deo: cześć

12/02/2010 - 18:42 sstar: Which are the best Barolos (apart from yours;), whom as a winemaker you admire? Which you cannot stand?

12/02/2010 - 18:42 sstar: Hi Deo!

12/02/2010 - 18:45 elviocogno: THe clones influence the final result of the Barolo. Lampia is the most used and gives an elegant and blanced Barolo. Michet gives a well structured Barolo with important tannins. Rose gives a Barolo with extreme elegance, like a Pinot Nero of Borgogna but also with incisive tannins

12/02/2010 - 18:48 elviocogno: Talking about the size of the botti. We are in the process of slowly changing not only our Barolo Ravera (that since 2004 has been aged in large casks) but also the barbera will be aged in big casks.

12/02/2010 - 18:48 sstar: And Langhe?

12/02/2010 - 18:49 elviocogno: I admire many traditional wine makers but also producers that have been innovative in improving their product not on ly in the cellar but in the vinyard.

12/02/2010 - 18:50 sstar: Comparison between modern (Scavino, Clerico) and traditional (Vietti, Borgogna): http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/is-barolo-still-italys-greatest-wine

12/02/2010 - 18:50 sstar: What do you think about wines of Gaja?

12/02/2010 - 18:51 elviocogno: I like Elio Grasso's Barolo, Rinaldi Giuseppe, GIovanni Conterno...

12/02/2010 - 18:55 gp: how do You judge those high altitude vinyards like Gallinotto and Serrendenari, close to Narzole comune, do they have similiarities to your vineyrds?

12/02/2010 - 18:57 sstar: Hello Wein/r!

12/02/2010 - 18:57 elviocogno: Gaja is a big name in the world. With his excellent quality, he has contributed to making Piemontese and Italian wines known around the world. Maybe the only critism that I could make is that lately he has concernatrated more on his brand and not his territory, but his contributions have been valid.

12/02/2010 - 19:00 elviocogno: The altitude is a small factor, these Gallinotto and Serrendenari vinyards are completely different from mine, facings, altitude and soil composition. We have a soil that is high in limestones and low in sand. Similar to Serralunga and Monforte d'Alba.

12/02/2010 - 19:01 sstar: In the meantime I would like to add that Valter Fissore is with us here due to Beata Gawęda from Vini e Affini, official importer of hi wines to Poland: http://www.vinieaffini.pl/pages/p_elvio_cogno.html

12/02/2010 - 19:01 elviocogno: Also Lange Rosso will be aged in big casks or tonneaux

12/02/2010 - 19:02 sstar: Why do you change this? What were the motives to use barriques before?

12/02/2010 - 19:02 sstar: How abour Nascetta? http://www.elviocogno.it/pagine/eng/vini_piemonte_cantina_cogno/langhe_bianco_anas_cetta.lasso

12/02/2010 - 19:03 gp: thanks, and do You expect high quality wines from Gallinotto or Serrendenari for example? Are they typical for La Morra soil?

12/02/2010 - 19:07 elviocogno: I am 45 years old and when I started this work I was only 28. During this journey I have developed my ideas. I had the very traditional education from Elvio Cogno but being young I wanted to change and try new things but I realised that this was not the best option and so even though I made great Barriques the the next Montegrilli will be even better!

12/02/2010 - 19:10 elviocogno: Nascetta is a long story...we will need a day to explain this its history. In any case it is an indigenous grape that we really believe in and we have worked really hard for.

12/02/2010 - 19:10 sstar: But will you still use barrique for it?

12/02/2010 - 19:12 sstar: Wines form Elvio Cogno in Sstarwines: http://www.sstarwines.pl/sample.php?guess=Elvio+Cogno&inc=lookup.php Apart from Nascetta (corky?) all received high scores? Do you have many problems with corks? How often do you meet corky wine (what is percentage among your wines)? Question of GP still is on ;)

12/02/2010 - 19:12 elviocogno: I don't really know Gallinotto and Serrendenari vinyards very well. So I don't really know the characteristic of their wines. I think they are probably similar to La mOrra wines and so very elegant and drinkable

12/02/2010 - 19:12 elviocogno: I will use very old barriques at the moment but we will change

12/02/2010 - 19:12 gp: thnx

12/02/2010 - 19:13 elviocogno: We don't really have problems with "corky" wines (2-5%)

12/02/2010 - 19:14 sstar: Good ratio. On average it is believed to be 10 percent.

12/02/2010 - 19:14 deo: do you have vineyards on tortonian soils? What do you think about influence of those famous soils on wine?

12/02/2010 - 19:14 elviocogno: It could be but I think 10% is high

12/02/2010 - 19:15 elviocogno: No tortonian soil. We are on the border of 2 geological eras.

12/02/2010 - 19:16 deo: some people says that tortonian soils are the best in Piemonte, do you agree?

12/02/2010 - 19:16 sstar: Which wines apart from Barolo do you like? What was the best, or the best context in which you drank some wine?

12/02/2010 - 19:16 elviocogno: Thank you all for you questions. I need to go and make wine!!! Maybe we could speak again another time in the futer.

12/02/2010 - 19:17 gp: thank you

12/02/2010 - 19:17 deo: thanks

12/02/2010 - 19:17 sstar: Deo was mentioning Castello di Verduno on Marne di Sant’ Agata.

12/02/2010 - 19:17 elviocogno: Beata Gaweda is our importer in Poland and she reprents the best

12/02/2010 - 19:18 gp: are U making wine in warsaw?

12/02/2010 - 19:18 deo: OK, i will ask her\

12/02/2010 - 19:18 gp: on Gambero Rosso Gala?

12/02/2010 - 19:18 sstar: Thank you!

12/02/2010 - 19:18 deo: poszed?

12/02/2010 - 19:18 gp: no

12/02/2010 - 19:18 sstar: Once again to recall the page of importer: http://www.vinieaffini.pl/

12/02/2010 - 19:19 gp: wrócił

12/02/2010 - 19:19 deo: wystraszyłem go glebami tortońskimi? :-)

12/02/2010 - 19:19 gp: poszedł

12/02/2010 - 19:19 gp: ale drętwol

12/02/2010 - 19:19 deo: wyraźnie nie chciał gadać, może czuł, że to sliski temat

12/02/2010 - 19:19 gp: taki był jak piłem u niego

12/02/2010 - 19:19 elviocogno: Vini e Affini is working hard for our wines and we are very gratefuil to Beata for her work

12/02/2010 - 19:20 elviocogno: bye to all

12/02/2010 - 19:20 gp: bye

12/02/2010 - 19:20 deo: bye!

12/02/2010 - 19:20 sstar: Welcome to chat after chat: http://www.sstarwines.pl/drupal-6.10/node/349

12/02/2010 - 19:20 gp: kurde, pojawia się i znika

12/02/2010 - 19:20 deo: no, nie można pogadać

12/02/2010 - 19:20 sstar: I would like to thank both you Valter and Beata that you made this chat happen. And to all participants!

12/02/2010 - 19:21 gp: Proszę bardzo

12/02/2010 - 19:21 deo: I'd like also to thank Beata for her great work

12/02/2010 - 19:21 sstar: FIN!

12/02/2010 - 19:21 gp: why Beata is not here on chat? Anyone knows?