Vinobilia. Joanna Sunniva Szczepanowska-Lay i Thierry Lay.

Archived on Tue, 04/13/2010 - 23:09.

04/13/2010 - 19:59 sstar: I would like to thank Joanna and Thierry Lay for a kind acceptance of the invitation and start with a moment of silence to commemorate the victims of the tragic accidents close to Smoleńsk.

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04/13/2010 - 20:01 thierry: Hello, we are very pleased to paticipate in this chat

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04/13/2010 - 20:04 sstar: Continuing the topic for the moment. What are the reactions in France to this tragedy?

04/13/2010 - 20:05 sstar: http://www.sstarwines.pl/wino9274

04/13/2010 - 20:05 thierry: I am not to much in touch with France. But I've got few friends

04/13/2010 - 20:05 thierry: who bsically told me that they were shocked

04/13/2010 - 20:08 thierry: Me as a French man living in Poland I am shocked as well

04/13/2010 - 20:08 sstar: Today on TV our friend from Gruzja: Dawid G. (importer of wines and notorious tamada) also sympathized with polish people. In fact our president liked wine quite a lot. Did you know about that?

04/13/2010 - 20:10 thierry: I did know that. As a matter of fact our wine bar is located in the middle of the political area in Warsaw.

04/13/2010 - 20:10 sstar: He visited even polish vineyards: http://bialenadczerwonym.blogspot.com/2010/04/zaoba.html I do not know which ones... but it does not matter.

04/13/2010 - 20:10 thierry: So we have a lot of customers from Ministery of Foreign affairs, ambassies, etc...

04/13/2010 - 20:11 sstar: You mean the winebar at Rogatka? http://www.vinobilia.pl/index.php?go=winebar

04/13/2010 - 20:11 sstar: Did you happen to personally know somebody who died in the accident?

04/13/2010 - 20:11 thierry: Yes

04/13/2010 - 20:12 thierry: Not personally. But just this morning we had a client who knows the brother of the pilot

04/13/2010 - 20:13 thierry: Of course some customer from Foreign Affairs knew some victims

04/13/2010 - 20:14 sstar: I am not quite sure, but the president actually preferred Italian wine, as most Polish do. Do you know what is the reason for the preference of italian over french wine in Poland, not to mention chilean one?

04/13/2010 - 20:15 thierry: Italy recently has understood the challenge of developing new market

04/13/2010 - 20:16 thierry: so they have started a huge offensive from the marketing standpoint

04/13/2010 - 20:16 sstar: And France?

04/13/2010 - 20:17 thierry: French are perhaps too arrogant and sure about their wine

04/13/2010 - 20:17 sstar: You are French, aren't you?

04/13/2010 - 20:17 thierry: Nobody's perfect

04/13/2010 - 20:17 sstar: Where do you come from?

04/13/2010 - 20:18 thierry: I am coming the beautiful region of South-West and precisely Basque Country

04/13/2010 - 20:19 thierry: http://www.biarritz.fr/Website/si te/fra_accueil.php

04/13/2010 - 20:19 sstar: But you are bad example, as you are not that arogant, since you started apart from the webpage also group on fb: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/vinobilia?ref=ts

04/13/2010 - 20:20 sstar: I correct you link: http://www.biarritz.fr/Website/site/fra_accueil.php

04/13/2010 - 20:20 thierry: I have been doing marketing in another industry before and for about 15 years.

04/13/2010 - 20:21 sstar: And mine: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/vinobilia?ref=ts

04/13/2010 - 20:21 thierry: This job drove me to all over the world and I used to cover Asia/Pacific and Americas.

04/13/2010 - 20:21 sstar: Why you ended up in Poland then? Let me guess...

04/13/2010 - 20:22 sstar: Woman?

04/13/2010 - 20:22 thierry: So when you travel this much and as a French man people speak to you about 3 things... Fashion, Food, and Wine

04/13/2010 - 20:23 thierry: That's true a lady made me change my life style

04/13/2010 - 20:23 sstar: No rockandroll?

04/13/2010 - 20:23 thierry: frankly Rock&Roll is not a French speciallity

04/13/2010 - 20:24 sstar: And how you started your wine business?

04/13/2010 - 20:24 thierry: So then you realize that people all over the world don't understand French Wine

04/13/2010 - 20:24 thierry: It's is a long story but in short

04/13/2010 - 20:25 sstar: Stereotype is: French Wine is sour, bitter and bad. What is more it is overpriced :)

04/13/2010 - 20:25 thierry: I have invented the Vinogramme in 2007

04/13/2010 - 20:25 sstar: What is it?

04/13/2010 - 20:25 thierry: based on the fact that 65% of the planet (speaking about human kind) is visual

04/13/2010 - 20:26 thierry: these people will never ever understand aromas, tastes, flavor, etc.

04/13/2010 - 20:26 sstar: http://www.wopata.com/en/projects/vinobilia

04/13/2010 - 20:26 thierry: So the vinogramme is basically a visual representation of the tastes

04/13/2010 - 20:26 sstar: so they buy labels?

04/13/2010 - 20:27 thierry: that can be sticked on the bottles

04/13/2010 - 20:27 sstar: do you have nice, colorful labels?

04/13/2010 - 20:27 thierry: All wines we sale in Poland have Vinogramme

04/13/2010 - 20:28 thierry: so far there are something like 6 millions bottles with Vinogramme mostly in France

04/13/2010 - 20:28 sstar: let me uderstand, give me some example of your wine and say what should be on the vinogramme in this case

04/13/2010 - 20:29 sstar: or better two links to wine, and its pictured vinogramme

04/13/2010 - 20:31 sstar: six milions makes impression; it is funny for me as I do not care specially to the color of the wine ie its visual aspect (i do care for labels but this is because of web page mainly;) but perhaps I am in the minority :)

04/13/2010 - 20:32 thierry: http://www.vimeo.com/videos/search:vinogramme

04/13/2010 - 20:32 thierry: Ok let me understand better

04/13/2010 - 20:32 thierry: You mean you don't pay attention to the color of the wine itself or the apparence of the label ?

04/13/2010 - 20:33 thierry: the problem of 95% (speaking about France) is that they can't tell why they liked or hated a wine.

04/13/2010 - 20:33 sstar: Is your vinogramme on Valhrona chocolate or it is not related to your invention, just some chocogramme: http://www.sstarwines.pl/images/004610.JPG

04/13/2010 - 20:34 sstar: I do not care about the color of wine, if it is too dark I look even at it with suspicion :)

04/13/2010 - 20:35 sstar: Hello Shron and Wesoły :) You are welcome to ask questions!

04/13/2010 - 20:35 thierry: We patented Vinogramme for beverages...

04/13/2010 - 20:36 thierry: unless this chocolate is liquid...

04/13/2010 - 20:36 sstar: Today I had two Sangiovese: Pupille and San Giusto, the latter was less deep in colour, but much better. Must have added some Syrah to the first :)

04/13/2010 - 20:36 thierry: or Tanat

04/13/2010 - 20:37 thierry: but I guess they don't use it in Italy

04/13/2010 - 20:37 sstar: So if the chocolate becomes liquid (in the pocket in the summer) there is a problem ;)

04/13/2010 - 20:37 sstar: Tannat? No :)

04/13/2010 - 20:37 thierry: you bet

04/13/2010 - 20:37 sstar: You like Tannat?

04/13/2010 - 20:38 sstar: Which kind? Softened by oak or the true one, harsh and tough?

04/13/2010 - 20:38 thierry: Hey Tannat comes from Basque Country... so I am afraid that's the only point I can be arrogant

04/13/2010 - 20:38 sstar: :)

04/13/2010 - 20:39 thierry: you right Tannat is quite rough. However it is used in Bordeaux in some places of good Medoc

04/13/2010 - 20:39 thierry: Madiran uses Tannat as well.

04/13/2010 - 20:40 thierry: We (europeans) will be very soon sent millions of hectoliters of Tannat coming from Uruguay

04/13/2010 - 20:40 sstar: I mean the approach of Alain Brumont and followers, softening with oak and adding Merlot (as everywhere;)? In Madiran.

04/13/2010 - 20:40 thierry: Yes you right

04/13/2010 - 20:41 sstar: For or against? How about your personal taste?

04/13/2010 - 20:41 thierry: I don't like much tannins

04/13/2010 - 20:42 thierry: as long as I can reduce tannins with a "carafage" that's find

04/13/2010 - 20:42 thierry: fine

04/13/2010 - 20:42 sstar: I have a friend in Bilbao and he has quite peculiar opinion about fado. What is yours?

04/13/2010 - 20:43 sstar: And second question: What you think about portuguese wines?

04/13/2010 - 20:44 thierry: I don't know very well Portuguese wine

04/13/2010 - 20:44 thierry: even I have been very often to Portugal

04/13/2010 - 20:44 sstar: But the ones that you drank, you liked?

04/13/2010 - 20:45 sstar: How about fado?

04/13/2010 - 20:46 thierry: excluding Portos north of Portugal produces interesting wines but not so delicate

04/13/2010 - 20:47 thierry: I don't know Fado wines

04/13/2010 - 20:47 sstar: I meant the music :)

04/13/2010 - 20:48 thierry: I had once in Lisbon a dinner with Fado...

04/13/2010 - 20:48 thierry: this was not my thing

04/13/2010 - 20:48 sstar: Delicate? So you like Burgundies? Do you have any in your portfolio? Have you ever tried DRC?

04/13/2010 - 20:49 thierry: we are importing just french wines

04/13/2010 - 20:49 sstar: I am aware of that :)

04/13/2010 - 20:49 thierry: Basque wines might not be considerd as French

04/13/2010 - 20:50 thierry: Oh you meant do we have some burgundies in our list?

04/13/2010 - 20:50 sstar: Yes.

04/13/2010 - 20:51 thierry: Yes we are working with a winery based in Nuits Saint Georges

04/13/2010 - 20:51 thierry: north of Burgundy

04/13/2010 - 20:51 sstar: What is it?

04/13/2010 - 20:51 sstar: Here comes the list: http://www.vinobilia.pl/index.php?go=wines

04/13/2010 - 20:52 sstar: Only Beaujolais from whereabouts.

04/13/2010 - 20:52 thierry: It comes from Manuel Olivier (the wine maker) from whom we take Aligoté, chardonnay, Pinot Noir

04/13/2010 - 20:53 thierry: and Crémant

04/13/2010 - 20:53 thierry: That's true we also have some Beaujolais

04/13/2010 - 20:53 thierry: but it is hard to say that Beaujolais is part of Burgundy

04/13/2010 - 20:54 sstar: Ok, you write Burgundy and Beaujolais descibing Olivier in the list.

04/13/2010 - 20:54 thierry: That's true from the legal standpoint Beaujolais and Burgundy are considered the same region

04/13/2010 - 20:54 sstar: Not a good idea, when in Poland Beaujolais has not very good reputation, although it is recongnized

04/13/2010 - 20:55 thierry: That's right we are doing a hard work at promoting Brouilly and Morgon

04/13/2010 - 20:55 sstar: Bugundy sounds nobler, although our friend would kill me for saying such things

04/13/2010 - 20:55 thierry: my favorite Beaujolais being Fleurie

04/13/2010 - 20:56 sstar: Enoteka Polska has also some good Beaujolais...

04/13/2010 - 20:56 thierry: Beaujolais produces beautiful wines

04/13/2010 - 20:56 sstar: http://www.sstarwines.pl/sample.php?guess=Fleurie&inc=lookup.php

04/13/2010 - 20:56 thierry: just try them with Polish coldcuts you will be just amazed

04/13/2010 - 20:57 sstar: Fleurie from Chermette

04/13/2010 - 20:57 sstar: What are coldcuts?

04/13/2010 - 20:58 thierry: Wedlina

04/13/2010 - 20:58 sstar: They say it is good with a liver.

04/13/2010 - 20:58 sstar: :)

04/13/2010 - 20:58 thierry: especially smoked wedlina

04/13/2010 - 20:58 sstar: You speak pretty good Polish :)

04/13/2010 - 20:59 thierry: I can just survive... and order or recommend some good wines

04/13/2010 - 20:59 sstar: How do you choose producers? I have to admit that I do not know too many of them from your list.

04/13/2010 - 20:59 thierry: 3 rules

04/13/2010 - 20:59 sstar: Yes...

04/13/2010 - 21:00 thierry: 1. I must know them personaly and then understand how they work

04/13/2010 - 21:00 sstar: Isn't it better that clients would know their names?

04/13/2010 - 21:00 thierry: 2. Depending on the region their wineyard must not exceed a certain size

04/13/2010 - 21:01 thierry: 3. they must be independant

04/13/2010 - 21:01 sstar: You mean vignerons indepandant?

04/13/2010 - 21:01 thierry: Yes if possible

04/13/2010 - 21:01 sstar: Sth that appears on the bottle?

04/13/2010 - 21:02 thierry: Yes for most of the time

04/13/2010 - 21:02 thierry: To me it is a chain of trust

04/13/2010 - 21:03 sstar: And what woudl you respond to average polish that would say that french wines are sour and bitter and not buvable (drinkable)?

04/13/2010 - 21:03 thierry: I trust these winemakrs and then my customers can trust me

04/13/2010 - 21:04 thierry: If I have a chance I give them a glass for free.

04/13/2010 - 21:04 sstar: But a new customer, how to convince him that it is worth not taking chilean or australian wine?

04/13/2010 - 21:04 thierry: Doing this I have always converted a new customer

04/13/2010 - 21:05 thierry: Polish customers are not different from other

04/13/2010 - 21:05 thierry: The only way is to explain and educate

04/13/2010 - 21:06 thierry: in addition I explain my relation of trust with the wineries

04/13/2010 - 21:06 sstar: For many people the only criteria is the taste.

04/13/2010 - 21:06 thierry: but this is key.

04/13/2010 - 21:07 sstar: They want sth sweeter. What do you have for them?

04/13/2010 - 21:07 thierry: You are right. That's why I invented Vinogramme so that you can see the taste of a wine

04/13/2010 - 21:08 sstar: Do you believe in it? How do you measure the levels of sugar, acidity and so on...?

04/13/2010 - 21:08 sstar: You take the numbers from winegrowers?

04/13/2010 - 21:08 sstar: vine:)

04/13/2010 - 21:09 thierry: Only people (oenologists) who followed a training can make Vinogrammes

04/13/2010 - 21:09 sstar: or you have laboratory or rely on sb's senses?

04/13/2010 - 21:10 thierry: Winegrowers send us the samples and a team of at least 2 oenologist make the tasting

04/13/2010 - 21:10 sstar: But then it is not objective.

04/13/2010 - 21:10 thierry: You mean can a machine can do it?

04/13/2010 - 21:11 thierry: The tasting refential is objective

04/13/2010 - 21:11 sstar: Yes: acidity and residual sugar is measured in Czech and Germany up to two digits after the comma (point) :)

04/13/2010 - 21:11 thierry: so we make sure that the tasters know the referential

04/13/2010 - 21:11 thierry: Hang on

04/13/2010 - 21:12 thierry: Vinogramme has been designed for this majority of wine drinkers who can't make a choice

04/13/2010 - 21:12 sstar: In Czech Republic they put the numbers alk, sugar, acid on the label.

04/13/2010 - 21:13 thierry: as well as in Alsace for sme wineries

04/13/2010 - 21:13 sstar: But then you should invite 10 polish average people and let them decide and make polish version of vinogramme

04/13/2010 - 21:13 thierry: these initiatives are actually targeting local markets

04/13/2010 - 21:15 thierry: In the original design of the Vinogramme project there is a part that concerns the consuemer

04/13/2010 - 21:15 sstar: Could you tell with which oenologues you cooperate?

04/13/2010 - 21:16 thierry: Of course

04/13/2010 - 21:16 sstar: So?

04/13/2010 - 21:16 thierry: The first one is Karl-Frédéric Reuter who leads the Vinogramme program

04/13/2010 - 21:17 thierry: Then there are 20 oenologues who followed the program

04/13/2010 - 21:18 sstar: Could you say for which wineries they worked (before)?

04/13/2010 - 21:18 thierry: I don't have personaly the list of names

04/13/2010 - 21:19 thierry: I can't but Karl will certainly be able to tell

04/13/2010 - 21:19 sstar: Changing the topic. Sunniva? Where this name come from?

04/13/2010 - 21:20 thierry: Ok let me switch the keyboard

04/13/2010 - 21:20 sstar: Your children also have not very common names: Blanka Anh Dao, 4 lat lat Leonia Sao Mai, 1 rok lat

04/13/2010 - 21:21 thierry: Witam :) to moze przejdziemy na polski i zmienie log in

04/13/2010 - 21:21 sstar: Oki :)

04/13/2010 - 21:23 sstar: Logout a potem login, podpowiem :)

04/13/2010 - 21:24 thierry: nie udalo sie... haslo nie znane, wie zostane pod loginem Thierry'ego

04/13/2010 - 21:24 thierry: Sunniva to imie norweskie - taka hippisowska fantazja moich rodzicow

04/13/2010 - 21:25 sstar: A imiona Waszych dzieci?

04/13/2010 - 21:25 sstar: Witam Panią Joanno o imieniu Thierry w takim razie :)

04/13/2010 - 21:25 thierry: Blanka i Leonia to calkiem normalne imiona :) Wybierne tak, by byly wymawialne zarowno po polsku jak i po francusku

04/13/2010 - 21:26 sstar: Ładnie :)

04/13/2010 - 21:26 thierry: Anh Dao to po wietnamsku kwiat czeresni

04/13/2010 - 21:26 thierry: Samo Mai - gwiazda poranna

04/13/2010 - 21:26 sstar: A Dao (bo kojarzy mi się jedynie z apelacją w Portugalii:)

04/13/2010 - 21:27 sstar: Też ładnie. A skąd pomysł na wietnamskie imiona?

04/13/2010 - 21:27 thierry: calkiem banalny - moj maz jest w polowie Witenamczykiem, wiec chcielismy podkreslic jakos te korzenie :)

04/13/2010 - 21:27 sstar: A propos czereśni. Lubicie Pinoty? Czy wolicie Caberneta czy Merlota?

04/13/2010 - 21:28 sstar: No i biorąc pod uwagę egzotyczne korzenie męża i jego wojaże nie myśleliście aby wprowadzić do sprzedaży jakieś wina z egzotycznych krajów?

04/13/2010 - 21:30 thierry: jesli chodzi o francuskie czerwone wino to mama lekko preferencje dla win bordskich. Burgundia nie specjal nie mi lezy...

04/13/2010 - 21:31 thierry: Byc moze rozszerzymi w przyszlosci oferte o wina hiszpanskie np. Na razie kierujemy sie zasada, ze sprowadzamy tylko takie wina, ktore znamy

04/13/2010 - 21:32 sstar: Biorąc pod uwagę wojaże pewno macie kontakty i znajomość jakichś egzotycznych win?

04/13/2010 - 21:32 thierry: pracujemy z malymi winnicami i w wiekszosci znamy osobiscie wlascicieli, ogladalismy winnice... Jezeli poznamy jakiego winiarza i jego wino z innej czesci swiata, a przypadnie nam ono do gustu to zastanowimy sie czy nie przywiezc go do Polski

04/13/2010 - 21:34 sstar: Robicie dokładnie tak jak Marek Kondrat, nasz wielki aktor i importer win.

04/13/2010 - 21:34 sstar: A jak się udała szkoła pisania dla mam w Rogatce? http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=375196422610&ref=mf

04/13/2010 - 21:35 deo: hellou

04/13/2010 - 21:36 sstar: Udało się przy okazji zainteresować matki winem?

04/13/2010 - 21:36 thierry: No moze nie dokladnie tak jak M.K - w kazdym razie nie inspirowalismy sie jego postacie...

04/13/2010 - 21:36 sstar: Hello MikPaw i Deo!

04/13/2010 - 21:36 deo: czy mi się wydaje czy tu się mówiło w obcem języku jeszcze przed chwilą?

04/13/2010 - 21:36 sstar: Był też Ducale, ale uciekł :)

04/13/2010 - 21:36 thierry: szkola pisania udaje sie swietnie - na razie byly dwa spotkania, przewidujemy jeszcze co najmniej dwa

04/13/2010 - 21:36 sstar: Mówiło, ale Thierry zmienił się w Joannę i teraz króluje język polski.

04/13/2010 - 21:37 thierry: :)

04/13/2010 - 21:37 sstar: Pytajcie więc Joannę o co tylko chcecie.

04/13/2010 - 21:38 thierry: Winiarnie byla pomyslana jako miejsce kobie

04/13/2010 - 21:38 sstar: To jawna dyskryminacja ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:38 thierry: Wokol winiarnie chcemy organizowac rozne wydarzenia bezposrednio zwiazane z winem ale tez troche od tego tematu odbiegajace, bardzie ogolnokulturlane

04/13/2010 - 21:39 thierry: nie- tylko dla kobie, ale kobietom przyjazne i zachecajace je do przygody z winem

04/13/2010 - 21:39 sstar: A czy oprócz idei bring your food http://www.vinobilia.pl/index.php?go=bringyourfood oferujecie też bringyourwine?

04/13/2010 - 21:40 thierry: stad organizacje szkoly pisania dla ma, imprez dla dzieci itp

04/13/2010 - 21:40 sstar: Oferujecie także cieple dania w Rogatce?

04/13/2010 - 21:40 thierry: wolelibysmy, zeby klienci przyniesli do ns jedzenie a my dobierzemy do niego nasze wina ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:41 sstar: A w domu kto z Was gotuje? Jakie są Wasze ulubione potrawy? Ulubione połączenia winno kulinarne?

04/13/2010 - 21:42 thierry: tak od niedawana rozszerzylismy nasza oferte jedzeniowa. Poza francuskiemi wedlinami i serami oraz raclette mozna teraz u nas zjesc nalesniki na slono i na slodko, quiche a niedlugo brunchowe omlety

04/13/2010 - 21:42 thierry: ojojoj.... to temat rzeka, nie wiem czy uda mi sie w kilku zdanich odpowiedzie na te wszystkie pytania :)

04/13/2010 - 21:44 thierry: Gotujemy razem, raz Thierry, raz ja... On jest lepszy w danich miesnych, robi pyszne terriny i rillette oraz potrawy z kuchni wietnamskiej. Choc ostatnio upodobal sobie zurek

04/13/2010 - 21:44 sstar: Witam Wesołego raz jeszcze :) Pewno masz pełno winiarskich pytań. Np.: A Wy w ogóle wiecie w tej całej Warszawie co to brzeczka?

04/13/2010 - 21:44 sstar: A Ty?

04/13/2010 - 21:45 thierry: Ja gotuje bardziej po "polsku", lubie zupy i wszelkiego rodzaju salaty

04/13/2010 - 21:45 sstar: Co jest Twoją specjalnością?

04/13/2010 - 21:45 wesoly: :)

04/13/2010 - 21:45 thierry: brzeczka - nie mam pojecia

04/13/2010 - 21:45 sstar: Wesoły wyjaśnij... najlepiej po francusku.

04/13/2010 - 21:45 wesoly: a piwo?

04/13/2010 - 21:46 thierry: a jsli chodzi o polaczenia to do kuchni azjatyckiej swietnie sprawdza sie Gewurstraminer

04/13/2010 - 21:46 sstar: a do polskiej riesling?

04/13/2010 - 21:47 thierry: riesling oczywiscie tez, ale powiedzielebym bardziej ogolniej wina alzackie: pinot gris, sylvaner, gewurstraminer

04/13/2010 - 21:48 thierry: nasz znajomy winiarz z Alzacji robi dla nas wino specjalnie dobrane do polskiej kuchni

04/13/2010 - 21:48 sstar: jakie?

04/13/2010 - 21:49 thierry: mamy nadzieje, ze wino Vinobilia bedziemy sprzedawac juz za kilka miesiecy

04/13/2010 - 21:49 thierry: sylvaner+pinot gris+muscat

04/13/2010 - 21:49 sstar: nasz znajomy winiarz z Trzebnickich Wzgórz też robi dla nas wino specjalnie dobrane do polskiej kuchni

04/13/2010 - 21:49 sstar: Co sądzicie o polskich winach?

04/13/2010 - 21:49 thierry: wspaniale :)

04/13/2010 - 21:50 sstar: Jakie próbowaliście?

04/13/2010 - 21:50 thierry: porownamy wiec niedlugo wino polskie i alzackie

04/13/2010 - 21:50 sstar: Już porównujemy! Póki co z niemieckimi :)

04/13/2010 - 21:51 thierry: jeszcze nie mialam okazji sporobowac ale mam wielka ochote

04/13/2010 - 21:51 sstar: W Vinaresie można kupić :)

04/13/2010 - 21:52 sstar: Myślicie, żeby wysyłać swoje wina na panele degustacyjne Magazynu Wino?

04/13/2010 - 21:52 wesoly: mojego jeszcze niestety nie można kupić...

04/13/2010 - 21:52 thierry: w takim razie zakupimy i sprobujemy choc ja na razie mam przeklamny smak z racji hormonow ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:53 sstar: Trzecie dziecko?

04/13/2010 - 21:53 thierry: tak, pojawila sie taka propozycja i mysle, ze pojawimy sie kiedys na tych panelach

04/13/2010 - 21:54 thierry: nie, na razie drugie jest wciaz karmione ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:54 thierry: ale kto wie, jeszcze nie powiedzialam ostatniego slowa w kwestii dzieci ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:54 sstar: Powodzenia :)

04/13/2010 - 21:55 sstar: A brzeczka to chyba marc :)

04/13/2010 - 21:55 sstar: A jakie najlepsze wino próbowałaś? Na temat jakiego nie zgadzałaś się z mężem?

04/13/2010 - 21:56 sstar: Witamy MikPaw!

04/13/2010 - 21:56 mikpaw: Witam

04/13/2010 - 21:56 sstar: Możesz zadać swoje pytania ;)

04/13/2010 - 21:57 sstar: Tak długo je przygotowywałeś. Szkoda jakby miały się zmarnować.

04/13/2010 - 21:58 mikpaw: ja nie za bardzo wiem o co pytać

04/13/2010 - 21:58 mikpaw: może o ceny Bordo 2009?

04/13/2010 - 21:58 thierry: Mamy podobne gusta jesli chodzi o wino :) A najlepsze jakiego probowalam... St.Emilion, Chateaunef-du-Pape, choc ostatnio zaczynam bardziej lubic wina biale

04/13/2010 - 21:59 thierry: oceny czy ceny?

04/13/2010 - 21:59 sstar: Czyli Ty też tych kwaśnych nie lubisz :)

04/13/2010 - 21:59 sstar: Chyba ceny.

04/13/2010 - 22:00 sstar: Za oceny (i ceny poniekąd) odpowiada Parker. No nie?

04/13/2010 - 22:00 thierry: ceny win bordoskich z naszej oferty?

04/13/2010 - 22:00 sstar: Rocznik 2009.

04/13/2010 - 22:00 mikpaw: a da się już kupić coś z rocznika 2009

04/13/2010 - 22:00 mikpaw: en primeur? (tak to się nazywa?)

04/13/2010 - 22:01 thierry: Bordeaux Superièur - Lathibaude i Clos le Mangons w granicach 40 zl Chateau La Galiane, AOC Margaux - 140 zl

04/13/2010 - 22:02 sstar: A jakie roczniki?

04/13/2010 - 22:02 thierry: en primeur - nie mamy, moglibysmy kupic tak Margaux ale pojawiaja sie klopoty logistyczne - akcyza, banderole itp

04/13/2010 - 22:03 sstar: Chateau Margaux? Czy AOC Margaux?

04/13/2010 - 22:03 thierry: Lathibaude 2007, Clos le Mangons 2004 , La Galiane 2002

04/13/2010 - 22:03 thierry: AOC

04/13/2010 - 22:03 sstar: Próbowaliście jakieś wino z pierwszej piątki Bordeaux? A może Romanee Conti?

04/13/2010 - 22:03 thierry: mamy tez Sauternes, Fronsac etsc.

04/13/2010 - 22:05 thierry: Chodzi ci o grandes crus classés? Probowalismy, ale nie sprowadzamy. Romanee Conti - nie probowalismy

04/13/2010 - 22:06 sstar: A jakie z 1er GCC wywarło na Was największe wrażenie?

04/13/2010 - 22:07 thierry: to oddaje klawiature...

04/13/2010 - 22:07 thierry: I had the chance to taste a Lafite Rotschild

04/13/2010 - 22:08 thierry: and it is an unforgetable moment

04/13/2010 - 22:08 sstar: Which vintage?

04/13/2010 - 22:09 thierry: 1984. but I believe that you can have as much as emotions even with a simple wine.

04/13/2010 - 22:09 sstar: What you mean?

04/13/2010 - 22:09 sstar: When you tasted it? In which circumstances?

04/13/2010 - 22:10 thierry: to me when I am in Biarritz near by the ocean a glass of Irouléguy Rosé I am the happiest man in the wolrd

04/13/2010 - 22:11 thierry: So it is not necessarily a matter of prestige

04/13/2010 - 22:11 sstar: I believe it. How about this Lafite? Was it spectacular?

04/13/2010 - 22:11 thierry: Have you seen "Side Ways"?

04/13/2010 - 22:12 sstar: Yes I have. Cheval Blanc from a paper cup :)

04/13/2010 - 22:12 thierry: That's it...

04/13/2010 - 22:13 mikpaw: ja muszę iść. dobranoc. Good night.

04/13/2010 - 22:13 sstar: But I am interested whether this bottle of 1984 Lafite (tasted which year?) was somehow special or it tasted like many wines?

04/13/2010 - 22:13 thierry: Yeah this Lafite was unbelievable

04/13/2010 - 22:13 sstar: In what way?

04/13/2010 - 22:14 sstar: Good night Miki.

04/13/2010 - 22:14 thierry: It was a tasting session during which we had 12 wines. All of them grand crus classé 1855

04/13/2010 - 22:14 sstar: I mean whether it was the wine or circumstances?

04/13/2010 - 22:15 sstar: And? All five 1er GCC?

04/13/2010 - 22:15 thierry: château Giscours, Chasse Spleen,

04/13/2010 - 22:15 thierry: No just one

04/13/2010 - 22:15 sstar: I see. Where was it?

04/13/2010 - 22:15 sstar: Which year?

04/13/2010 - 22:16 thierry: It was in Bordeaux as I used to work in Bordeaux in the 90's

04/13/2010 - 22:16 sstar: I mean when was it.

04/13/2010 - 22:16 thierry: 95

04/13/2010 - 22:16 sstar: I see.

04/13/2010 - 22:17 sstar: And coming back to Lafite... was it much better than the others?

04/13/2010 - 22:19 thierry: Yes definitely. But let's be honest and modest

04/13/2010 - 22:20 sstar: What you mean?

04/13/2010 - 22:20 thierry: as a simple person which in my day to day I am really happy with simple wines

04/13/2010 - 22:20 thierry: I am fighting for popular wines

04/13/2010 - 22:21 thierry: simple wines for simple people

04/13/2010 - 22:21 sstar: Do you have some desires anyway, wines that you dream about, you would like to taste?

04/13/2010 - 22:21 thierry: and I believe it comes from my background

04/13/2010 - 22:22 thierry: I grew up in south west of france and out there usually the first contact with wine happens when you are 4 or 5 years old

04/13/2010 - 22:22 thierry: at home we had wine at any meal

04/13/2010 - 22:22 thierry: sorry not at breakfast

04/13/2010 - 22:23 sstar: How did Bordeaux change in the last years? If you compare it with those days (1995). How South West did change?

04/13/2010 - 22:23 thierry: then my background drives me to propose in Poland normal wine for normal people

04/13/2010 - 22:24 thierry: Bordeaux wine region is like a train

04/13/2010 - 22:25 thierry: you have the "Lokomotiwa" that pulls everything (1855)

04/13/2010 - 22:25 thierry: then you have the "wagons" (small AOC)

04/13/2010 - 22:26 thierry: by the time the head of the train gets out of the train station still the queue is at the platform

04/13/2010 - 22:27 sstar: The problem with this slogan (simple wines for simple people) is that prices are not normal compared to our salaries. Normal people (like me) buy wines in markets. In Biedronka we buy wines at about 10PLN pew bottle with AOC, DO, DOC, decent wines with decent prices!

04/13/2010 - 22:27 thierry: and if the train is too heavy guess where extra weight is taken away?

04/13/2010 - 22:28 thierry: I cant fight against distribution chains

04/13/2010 - 22:28 sstar: Uprooted?

04/13/2010 - 22:29 thierry: a good friend of mine who sales to Biedronka sold a full truck at a price which was under the production cost

04/13/2010 - 22:30 thierry: we made the choice to work with small wineries to propose exceptional quality

04/13/2010 - 22:31 sstar: I do understand. In fact we (just a few wine freaks that read Magazyn Wino eg;) do buy in shops like yours. But what to do to attract others?

04/13/2010 - 22:31 thierry: the consequence is small quantities, then high cost of transport, etc...

04/13/2010 - 22:31 sstar: If they were exceptional wine citics would rage about them, but I suppose they do not?

04/13/2010 - 22:32 sstar: What you think about biodynamic wines?

04/13/2010 - 22:32 thierry: I believe my responsibility as importer is to educate because the sellers jsut don't care about this

04/13/2010 - 22:33 thierry: I am very shared on this topic

04/13/2010 - 22:33 thierry: in theory it should be the best way to make wine

04/13/2010 - 22:33 sstar: True. Although Biedronka hired head of Magazyn Wino to write and also educate in a brochure!

04/13/2010 - 22:33 thierry: in reality sometimes it is not just applicable

04/13/2010 - 22:34 sstar: He wrote about the general notions, not about specific wines.

04/13/2010 - 22:34 thierry: at least I know 2 wineries that backed up from Bio dynamy

04/13/2010 - 22:35 sstar: Why?

04/13/2010 - 22:35 sstar: Which ones?

04/13/2010 - 22:35 thierry: Etienne Brana from Irouleguy and Philippe Sohler

04/13/2010 - 22:36 sstar: What were the reason of giving up?

04/13/2010 - 22:37 thierry: you might know that applying bio-dynamy you must respect a lunar calendar and sometimes you just have 2 or 3 hurs to spread preparations

04/13/2010 - 22:37 thierry: Philippe owns 10 hectares in Alscae which are spread of 60 parcels

04/13/2010 - 22:38 sstar: Do you believe that homeopathic amounts of nutrition makes the difference?

04/13/2010 - 22:38 thierry: yes it does

04/13/2010 - 22:39 sstar: What is the reaction then? How it can influence soil?

04/13/2010 - 22:39 thierry: the only problem at the moment is that we don't have enough feedback on this

04/13/2010 - 22:39 thierry: In bio dynamy the only chimical you can use is copper

04/13/2010 - 22:40 sstar: There are opinions that biodynamy helps just to care bout vineyard and it does the difference.

04/13/2010 - 22:40 sstar: Not the homeopathic ammount of these substances.

04/13/2010 - 22:41 thierry: that's very true but then why to go with bio dynamy as Demester and Terra vitis propose a similar approach

04/13/2010 - 22:41 thierry: that's why I am kind of shared with bio dynamy

04/13/2010 - 22:42 sstar: I do not know. I believe in diffusion and cheical reactions :)

04/13/2010 - 22:42 sstar: Have you read Magazyn Wino?

04/13/2010 - 22:42 thierry: I am more concerned about global warming

04/13/2010 - 22:42 sstar: Are you going to promote your wines via this magazine?

04/13/2010 - 22:43 sstar: Deo are you with us?

04/13/2010 - 22:44 thierry: Actually I don't know even Marek Bienczyk and Tadeus Pioro are of our customers

04/13/2010 - 22:44 sstar: Are they?

04/13/2010 - 22:44 thierry: Marek lives next corner to us

04/13/2010 - 22:44 thierry: and he cmes time to time

04/13/2010 - 22:45 sstar: But they did not wrote about your winebar in Magazyn Wino, did they?

04/13/2010 - 22:45 thierry: No they didn't

04/13/2010 - 22:45 sstar: Your wines neither?

04/13/2010 - 22:46 thierry: It can sound strange but actually I am not sure that promoting wine is a good way to go

04/13/2010 - 22:46 sstar: You have FB page?

04/13/2010 - 22:47 sstar: Don't you?

04/13/2010 - 22:47 thierry: of course we need to sell more but for me wine business is a long term business

04/13/2010 - 22:47 thierry: yes we have FB page

04/13/2010 - 22:47 thierry: but we don't promote wine

04/13/2010 - 22:47 sstar: Meaning that you have some financial support to survive the crisis?

04/13/2010 - 22:48 thierry: we promote atmosphere, social exchanges

04/13/2010 - 22:48 sstar: Not straightforwardly but in fact you do, more cleverly... yet still it is the wine that you sell :)

04/13/2010 - 22:49 sstar: We in Sstarwines also try to promote atmosphere and social exchange...

04/13/2010 - 22:49 thierry: anyone who runs a wine bar will tell you that what drive a business like this is not wine but food and beverages

04/13/2010 - 22:50 sstar: In fact when I first came across Vinobilia I thought yuoare not the shop or winebar but social web forum :)

04/13/2010 - 22:50 thierry: Thank you to promote the same values

04/13/2010 - 22:50 sstar: This is true. What otehr beverages you sellthen?

04/13/2010 - 22:51 thierry: sure tea coffe and cidre and non-alcoolic wines

04/13/2010 - 22:51 sstar: Strange idea, nonalcoholic wines, how come?

04/13/2010 - 22:52 thierry: Wine in Poland = Women

04/13/2010 - 22:52 sstar: Clever :)

04/13/2010 - 22:52 thierry: we have a lot of pregnant or breast-feeding customers

04/13/2010 - 22:53 thierry: not considering the drivers

04/13/2010 - 22:53 sstar: You should then introduce also some colorful labelling... in fact vinogramme does it ;)

04/13/2010 - 22:53 thierry: you got it=

04/13/2010 - 22:53 sstar: How these nonalcoholic wines taste like?

04/13/2010 - 22:54 thierry: In fatc these wines were wine origianlly then by evaporation alcool has been removed

04/13/2010 - 22:55 sstar: This should interest my friends whoese wives are pregnant :)

04/13/2010 - 22:55 thierry: of course it is less intense the alcoolic wine as in the aromatic path alcool carries aromas

04/13/2010 - 22:56 sstar: Sure. But women are more sensitive to aroma so they can manage somehow :)

04/13/2010 - 22:56 thierry: but I have to say that the Merlot is really black current

04/13/2010 - 22:57 thierry: If you want to taste I can manage to ship some samples

04/13/2010 - 22:57 sstar: I am visiting Warsaw from time to time so I can manage to visit you some days :)

04/13/2010 - 22:57 thierry: Zapraszamy

04/13/2010 - 22:57 sstar: Why Merlot black currants? Not Cabernet Sauvignon?

04/13/2010 - 22:58 sstar: Zmiana warty?

04/13/2010 - 22:59 thierry: In fact there are 9 wines and cab-sauv is not in there

04/13/2010 - 22:59 thierry: sorry I used some polish

04/13/2010 - 22:59 sstar: :)

04/13/2010 - 22:59 thierry: some of my miserable polish vocabulary

04/13/2010 - 22:59 sstar: What are the prices of these nonalcoholic wines?

04/13/2010 - 23:00 thierry: from 34 up to 5 for the chardonnay sparkling

04/13/2010 - 23:00 thierry: 45

04/13/2010 - 23:00 sstar: No, that sounds great :) Mon francais est miserable aussi ;)

04/13/2010 - 23:00 thierry: lom

04/13/2010 - 23:00 sstar: Les deux miserables ;)

04/13/2010 - 23:00 thierry: lol

04/13/2010 - 23:01 sstar: Where these wines come from? Regions?

04/13/2010 - 23:01 thierry: they are from Langwedocja

04/13/2010 - 23:02 sstar: Sounds dobrze!

04/13/2010 - 23:02 thierry: in fact desalcolisation is a very old technique 1905

04/13/2010 - 23:03 thierry: it is been revived in France because in retirement houses there were a lot of old people under medication who couldn't go anymore with regular wine

04/13/2010 - 23:04 sstar: And the habit is still to change...

04/13/2010 - 23:04 sstar: hard to change

04/13/2010 - 23:04 thierry: Especially for old people

04/13/2010 - 23:04 sstar: Like trees...

04/13/2010 - 23:05 thierry: Hey I am afraid we'll leave shortly

04/13/2010 - 23:05 sstar: Or old vineyards.. should not be uprooted.

04/13/2010 - 23:05 thierry: How long you want to keep online ?

04/13/2010 - 23:05 sstar: Thank you then for accepting invitation and spending three hours with us.

04/13/2010 - 23:06 thierry: You are very welcome and it was a leasure

04/13/2010 - 23:06 thierry: as well as pleasure

04/13/2010 - 23:06 sstar: Please say hello from .me (my nickname is star) to Marek Bienczyk if you meet him some day..

04/13/2010 - 23:07 thierry: I will defintely

04/13/2010 - 23:07 sstar: The chat will be archived and available online!

04/13/2010 - 23:07 thierry: Cool

04/13/2010 - 23:08 sstar: I should say it at the beginning but there were more important things then...

04/13/2010 - 23:08 thierry: See you soon... and if I stop by Wroclaw I'll let you know

04/13/2010 - 23:08 sstar: Great :) We'll have simple polish wine...

04/13/2010 - 23:09 sstar: Good night! And thanks to Joanna!

04/13/2010 - 23:09 thierry: Thanks again.

04/13/2010 - 23:09 sstar: FIN!

04/13/2010 - 23:09 thierry: Good night